Red Witch

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  What Was "IT" That Finally Made You Leave The "Truth"?

  by minimus in

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  anything in particular, or was it a combination of things??

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  Red Witch

  i believe that's referred to as a 'hummer' Homey, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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  Is Michael Jackson Guilty?

  by shamus in

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  be nice on this thread, please!

  i don't want to see it get locked b/c of some people!.

  do you think he's guilty?

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  Well, there's the old saying, Where's there's smoke there's fire. I just remember seeing him and his family at 'assemblies' held in the Glendale, Ca auditorium many years back. Michael was probably 6. I felt a little sympathy for him then. Something was wrong...
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  What Was "IT" That Finally Made You Leave The "Truth"?

  by minimus in

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  This makes me wonder whether people would have stayed in the congregation had they been treated better.....From what I can see, the answer is YES. I disagree, there are so many other causes for disillusionment. (sp?) I was maybe, 7 or 8, when I started realizing that many of those who returned from bethel were soon disfellowshiped. For what? I do not know I was too young. But it was obvious to me that something was very wrong, and not necessarily from those ex-bethelites. Just why did they return from our utlimate goal and clearly turn their backs on the organization? Well I was told that they just did not have good hearts? And I did not have a good heart if I questioned these things. From then on my goal was to prove myself worthy and to hopefully have a "good heart". I was baptised at 16, as this was then considered the age of recognition. What happened? Well no- one acknowledged this big step in my life! No, not even my parents, and my dad was the big CO! I then went on to marry a "brother" I did not love in order to 'get out of the house'. After that...The no oral sex rule, the admonition to stay with him even though I could count on being physically abused on a regular basis because of my independance and lack of respect, and his 'screwing around' because I wasn't showing him wifely love. Excuse me...he screwed around in order to get oral sex!!!! Well, he still got disfellowshiped but I was supposed to stay with him because he was the father of our 2 children (no-one would love them as much as their father) and maybe by my example he would come back into the Org. I faded, and found out later that he was most likely sexually abusing my daughter from birth to about 4yrs. Now, you want to know What Was "IT" That Finally Made Me Leave The "Truth"? F that Sht!
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  Who On This Board Has Been Out The Longest?

  by SanFranciscoJim in

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  just curious....... i was disfellowshipped in may 1980, more than 23 years ago..

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  Red Witch

  In 1977 I walked away...
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  I'm at a loss...dazzzed and confused...

  by Red Witch in

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  why is it when so many of you have left the "oh so illusrious" organization, want to have possesion of their publications?

  unless, as far as i can figure, you are still somewhat enthralled, dazzed and confused with what they have to say.

  when i left, so did all their propaganda.

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  I beg you to please not make generalizations about me in the future. Tonight, your general gut feeling is wrong, no offence. Thanks.

  It's just that trying to change a persons 'righteous' religeous convictions is not the way I do/would go about winning back my family. I work from the angle that, hopefully, there is some form of natural affection left within them. And when I have made contact it is from a planned angle of attack, so to speak (sheesh, 'so to speak' jw-dubism again) on a level that will affect them emotionally as a parent or friend. Refuting what the wt says only puts them on the defensive.

  I only want them to love me as a daughter as well. We/you are not 'bad' persons for our lifestyles or who we are unless we are purposely attempting to hurt others for not agreeing with us; which brings us back to the evil shunning which is so popular/required with the jws. Shunning is a purposfull method of emotionally hurting others in order to force them to comply with their wishes. I beleive it makes them feel 'self righteous' and that is only one of their great evils.

  My comments were'nt meant as generalizations, simply conclusions from personnal experience and observance, of which I am sad to admit I have many. All any of us want of our parents and family is for them to love us as we are, with unconditional love. You deserve it jwbot and so do I.
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  I'm at a loss...dazzzed and confused...

  by Red Witch in

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  why is it when so many of you have left the "oh so illusrious" organization, want to have possesion of their publications?

  unless, as far as i can figure, you are still somewhat enthralled, dazzed and confused with what they have to say.

  when i left, so did all their propaganda.

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  Shamus--I am with you...I do appreciate those who are able to show the org as being clearly wrong in many of their teachings as it does re-affirm my resolve. I think that may be one reason I have been hanging around here and saying "right on" to many of their posts. and "Good point! "(jw-dubism). sorry, even after so many years, I find their coloquilisms (sp?) popping right out of my mouth at times.

  Blondie--yes, many do repeat their past. Often as in women who gravitate towards abusive men. I thank my friend-a liberal jw in the early 80s for directing me toward professional counseling-as it has provided me the strength and resolve to avoid all controlling relationships/personnal or religeous. There are so many here as I lurk...who need just that... professional help.

  I did leave my family behind, but never felt the need to try and get them away. My reasons initially for leaving had nothing to do with dogma. My family can easily be described as being 'fanatic'.

  My words from my own experiences and observations to those who are 'sitting on the fence' sh*t or get off!! As you will only remain in a confused state if you continue sitting where you are.

  jwbot--I feel and think one's need to affect others with one's personal revelations is a left-over from being a 'preaching jehovah's witness'. This is not an attack on you personally, just a result of my observations, experiences and general gut feelings about people in general.

  RedWitch
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  I'm at a loss...dazzzed and confused...

  by Red Witch in

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  why is it when so many of you have left the "oh so illusrious" organization, want to have possesion of their publications?

  unless, as far as i can figure, you are still somewhat enthralled, dazzed and confused with what they have to say.

  when i left, so did all their propaganda.

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  Why is it when so many of you have left the "oh so illusrious" organization, want to have possesion of their publications? Unless, as far as I can figure, you are still somewhat enthralled, dazzed and confused with what they have to say.

  When I left, so did all their propaganda. I found reading it to only be counter-productive to myself and my children.

  Do you really care what they are saying or doing? I don't mean to be antagonistic, I just want to understand why so many ex-jws still want to discuss their "light" as an ongoing interest.
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  Sen Sen ?

  by NEWWORLDSLACKER in

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  who likes sen-sen ?

  i love em ......cant get enough of this shite !.

  nws

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  Piph

  We must have gone to the same kingdom hall. My dad, the co, always had them around.
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  Jehovah's Happy People!

  by Nosferatu in

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  this term has always troubled me, even when i was in.

  it's one thing for the fds to tell the r&f how to live their lives, but they also tell them how to feel.

  jehovah's happy people.

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  Following his moral standards will protect you from many problems and will give your life needed stability. Work at having a close relationship with Jehovah God, for you will find contentment and joy in being like "the happy God." Make more time in your life for ‘hearing the word of God.’

  Funny thing, it never worked that way for me. The harder I worked at achieving the above, the less happy I was. This is the sort of crap that made me feel inadequate and most likely just one of those evil ones by nature. Ha! so I left and became happy........

  How many of you actually sat through the meetings with tears running down your face while the talks were about the joy, happiness, and contentment of those within the great org? Tears which are only due to feeling of not measuring up and fitting in? I never in my 27yrs of association saw real happiness.
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  Your Online Persona

  by Xena in

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  i saw a thread recently that asked if you were different from your online persona, most people answered to varying degrees "no".

  that made me wonder though how do you view yourself and how do other people view you?

  what kind of a person do you feel you project?

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  Red Witch

  teejay,

  the only hmmmmm part of your description is the "hypocrite" otherwise you sound fascinating and fun.

  Personally, I've been described as fun, wild, unpredictable, sexy as hell, exotic, mysterious, I just asked my husband and got sexy, crazy, curvy, and vertically challenged at 5'3" and fun again, and entertaining...